I don't think Kirk Cameron is evil anymore - he's just not rational. I'm not so sure about Comfort.

Soooooooo......use ad hominem attacks and non sequetors to persuade young intellects?

Some group should hold a counterprotest. Give away bibles with introductions that point out the inconsistencies of the bible and the history of Christianity.

I wonder if it ever occurs to Kirk that maybe there's a correlation between higher IQ's and lack of religious belief.

Hahaha...the best part is his intro that was "supposed" to be to scare the viewer, was making me happy

hahaha oh and remember when he had a friend named "Boner"?

Upvote because more people need to see this nonsense. This is the most despicable thing that these people have ever attempted. This kind of thing just makes my skin crawl.

They're getting extremely desperate, it's almost unthinkable.

Holy shit. That is absolutely subversive and damn genius. Fuck. Us atheists should be more creative!

Let's keep this shit on the front page for a while... *quality

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by blankfist.

You can see it in his eyes. That's the scary thing. He actually believes it.

OH, MY FUCKING GODLESS!

Does this mean I can put disclaimers in their Bibles?

you had me at "atheistic evolution"

Well, I'd take the argument that nothing created everything over a big invisible man in the sky created everything...and then went on to send his benevolent cannibalistic zombie son to earth to save us all, which of course is still him, and when he dies, he is also still God.

Which is more rational? Those of the "I'm not sure yet, we haven't figured everything out yet, and we probably never will" school of thought or the "I know everything because my God told me so and he wrote a brief synopsis that is very similar to Aesop's Fables" school of thought?

The only thing that bothers me about this is the false or loaded claims they're putting in their introduction...

"Something came from nothing" (that's what creationists believe, not 'evolutionists')
"...Hitler..." (any mention of Hitler in a discussion that isn't about Nazi Germany should throw up a red flag for everyone)
"Darwin's racism" (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005_1.html)

So is this meant to promote or discredit the Christian faith? I can't tell anymore with a lot of these videos.

*fail *wtf

Adding video to channels (Fail, Wtf) - requested by Issykitty.

He's attacking Darwin for being racist and having "disdain for women"? Riiiighhhttt.... because Christians are known for their acceptance of everyone. It's not like the bible endorses slavery or wife beating... *cough*


"All we want to do is present the opposing - and CORRECT - view" and "these students should be given both sides of the argument and allowed to make up their own mind right?" So, students will get a copy of the Origin of Species and some other material saying "everything in the origin of species is bullshit!" Hmm, yeah, that's pretty fair and balanced

And as like any religious programming, it ends with "Send us your money!!!!!"

I wonder how they are planning to connect Hitler to Darwin?

"...And then in 1938, Hitler used his voodoo-devil-magic to the devices his Nazi scientists were building to complete the time machine so he could travel back to 1859 to teach Darwin about what evilution!"

Now that I think about it, that must be exactly what happened!

It's amazing what some people can do with a high school degree.

He just said. " this a life or die issue " ..wow.
God made bananas. You know who likes bananas.. those damn dirty apes.

Heil JESUS!

I just watched a Ben Stein movie called "Expelled" hoping for an interesting side to Intelligent Design. What I was left with is something that reminds me of this. Hitler is connected to Darwin by way of Eugenics. So the basic thought behind most of these kinds of deals is "If you believe in evolution you are a nazi and a baby killer".... no yeah, it makes perfect sense..... Is there a polite way to exit from society?

I'm just waiting for the evangelicals to eventually wake up and realize that Christianity = mythology. If it applies to Zeus, Shiva and Feng-Du, then it applies to the "First Zombie".

BTW, I'm seriously going to try to get one of these copies of Darwin's Origin of Species. I'll be looking around my campus on Nov 19th.

Also, I like how he starts out with 3 lies.

1. Our kids can no longer pray in public.
Uh... yes they can.

2. They can no longer freely open a bible in school
Uh... yes they can. Most high schools even have religious prayer groups. It is just required that they're organized by students, so that our public schools aren't forcing their religions on students.

3. The 10 commandments are no longer allowed to be displayed in public places
Uh.. Yes they are. I think he's getting this confused with government sponsored displays of the 10 commandments, which violates the first amendment.

I guess he really wants the government to be forcing their religion on everyone else... just so long as it's the same religion he agrees with.

The argument that from darwin to hitler goes something like this, I would think

Darwin -> Evolution (darwinism) -> Social Darwinism -> Eugenics -> Hitler

And it's just wrong and misguided.

I looked on the website, but I didn't see a list of the universities they're going to be handing these out at. I'd like to get one. You can download and read the 50 page introduction by Ray Comfort here.

The bible needs to be revised.

This guy doesn't have one intelligent brain cell in his intelligently designed body.

So atheist are "brainwashing" college age adults as opposed to....preschoolers? Wow that's pretty evil.

..but he's sitting on a backwards chair. That means he's serious.

So someone should write an intro to the bible then. Telling how its a work of fiction and how many contridictions is has, and that even though they say god is peacful and loving, that he was also pretty manevolent and vengeful.

lol................. religion.

Hmmm, among intellectuals athiesm and agnosticism have become dominant. Is this;

A) because they're godless heathens corrupted by other godless types within the unholy university system.

B) because they're SMART, they can figure things out for themselves and don't always just accept ideas at face value but rather treat them with some critical thought.

I dunno Kirk, tough call...

>> ^doremifa:
The bible needs to be revised.


Again?

This was a lot of BS, until he mentioned the free poster. That sold me right there! Evolution vs. Jesus, I'll support who ever gives me the free poster!

Only if its a poster of jesus riding a raptor on a hoverboard!

DID THESE NUTS REALIZE SANE PEOPLE WILL JUST RIP OUT THE FORWARD AND THEN HAVE A FREE COPY?

I'm guessing they did and have mashed up Darwin's Origin with lots of gospels in between chapters.

LOL! I like how he says Hitler like it's a bad thing. Hitler truly believed that what he was doing was right and in theory, as sick as it may sound, his application of race selection would have actually improved the society in the long run.

>> ^doremifa:
The bible needs to be revised.


Considering how much he is talking about Universities, I think the bible should be peer-reviewed. Mohammed, Abraham, Buddha, Vishnu, and the FSM can all have at it. I would pay enormous sums of money for that version.

The fatal flaw in this plan is that your typical college student is unlikely to just sit down and read 'Origin of Species' unless it were assigned reading in a class, in which case they would most likely need a specific annotated edition of the book.

>> ^fjules:
I like how he says Hitler like it's a bad thing.


wtf?

This is soooooo stupid.

They think a BOOK is going to change the way people THINK?!

That would take a miracle!

Thank god for the wtf channel, because within 15 seconds of watching this video, I went...

WHAT THE FUCK

>> ^fjules:
Hitler truly believed that what he was doing was right and in theory, as sick as it may sound, his application of race selection would have actually improved the society in the long run.

Really? The sub-cluster of the population with Jewish ancestry trends toward elevated IQs.* Good. I'm glad there are people like Einstein in the world.

>> ^chilaxe:
>> ^fjules:
Hitler truly believed that what he was doing was right and in theory, as sick as it may sound, his application of race selection would have actually improved the society in the long run.

Really? The sub-cluster of the population with Jewish ancestry trends toward elevated IQs. Good. I'm glad there are people like Einstein in the world.


Ok i'm not agreeing with fjules just to get it straight. But anytime I see a link that cites a source about a scientific journal, I would like to see that article and the journal it was published in, not some opinionated news story that tries to interpret what the journal says.

I'd think they'd want to go right to the heart of the problem instead of dancing around the issue. Cause' quite franky, the only reason I'm an atheist is: Kirk Cameron.

Ray Comfort has a blog and hes talking about the book. In a reply in the forums he said;

"Why are you so worried about my opinion? I simply give the other side of the argument. That's healthy. Students aren't dumb. Let them make up their own minds."

So hes talkin about college students, who are adults. Seems if youre in college youve made up your mind on somethings, this shouldnt sway anyone; other then weak minded people or gullible ones.

OK, how do you think Kirk would reply to rational people mashing up the bible with commentary pointing out MASSIVE INCONSISTENCIES at Easter? Parishioners are smart. Let them make up their own minds.

>> ^Tymbrwulf:
>> ^chilaxe:
>> ^fjules

Ok i'm not agreeing with fjules just to get it straight. But anytime I see a link that cites a source about a scientific journal, I would like to see that article and the journal it was published in, not some opinionated news story that tries to interpret what the journal says.

Going straight to the science journals is great. The pre-print of the scientific paper is available here. It was published in: Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006).

I'm an advocate for both sides, so I want to say, if the sub-cluster of the population referred to in that paper experienced a unique natural selection environment (it seems hard to argue they didn't), knowing it shouldn't bother us. I think our job in the 21st century is to spread various personal benefits like that to all of us, and to that end, I would never turn down a treasure trove of data such as that paper

How many people here have read The Origin Of Species? i mean, the non fucked one? Just fmi

Isn't the bible public domain?
It could be exploited as well.

Edit: OK, I just tried reading that 50 page intro. It was like getting smacked in the face with a "Stupid Stick" - I could not continue reading it...

I haven't even though I want to. Anyone who hasn't feel free to upvote this as an indication of that.

>> ^detheter:
How many people here have read The Origin Of Species? i mean, the non fucked one? Just fmi

yes, I agree with Cameron...because the only reason intelligent university students don't believe in God is that they just haven't been told about him enough/in the right way. You have to try different ways of pounding it into their heads. I want one of these books so badly.

...oh, and somebody's brother's cousin's uncle who knows a guy in the ministry business has a printing press. Just sayin'.

I believe in a God but not in any religion but found Athiest rhetoric is just pure anti-Christian. I'd like to see that same rhetoric used on Muslims.

>> ^nanrod:
I wonder if it ever occurs to Kirk that maybe there's a correlation between higher IQ's and lack of religious belief.


I'm a doctor and have strong faith in Christ.

Please let this man be kidnapped and tortured by fundamentalist Islamics so that he may learn the benevolence of his god.

Just an afterthought, could I request a thousand copies of his book and hold a fun little community book burning?

Look,
I don't care about the regular Joe/Jane who has faith in whatever religion that gives them peace of mind. I really don't! For the most part, church going people are good people. They help each other out, they have a strong conscience to do good by their fellow man, they would never hesitate to share what they have and so on. Kudos to them.

What I have issues with is when someone starts to force their belief system on other people. Like they are doing a favour for someone who just doesn't know it yet. Saving them even! I'd sit and listen to a Muslim story because there's knowledge in knowing what's out there. I'd do the same for any Christian, Buddhist, Hindu or any other religion. Just don't tell me that your way is the only way. And definitely NEVER tell me that my way is the WRONG way. Don't infiltrate what I believe and I will respect what you believe. I may not believe it, but I will respect it.

What they are doing here is waging war with people not just with differing belief’s, but with people who choose not to have any belief. People who have minds which delve deeper into situations to dig out any spark of truth that’s available. A scientific mind is one that is still evolving, still considering possibilities and never settling for one all governing answer. We want the one theory of every thing, even though we realize we will never obtain it. Until then, we are OK to accept that we are not all-knowing. We are humbled by the universe at large and always strive to learn more.

Don’t come in and tell people to stop learning. Don’t tell people that all their thinking has already been done for them, and that they just have to accept it. Don’t tell people that it’s right there in that book. A working, functioning, striving mind won’t just roll over and stop thinking because your religion has all the answers. It doesn’t! In fact, your religion was written down by men who thought that their ideas should govern over every one else’s.

What I’m trying to say is, if someone wants to just accept theory without proof, great, go ahead. But don’t go around telling everyone else to give up on thinking as well. There are a large percentage who don’t want to be sheep in some one else’s flock. So Flock off!

>> ^tedbater:
>> ^nanrod:
I wonder if it ever occurs to Kirk that maybe there's a correlation between higher IQ's and lack of religious belief.

I'm a doctor and have strong faith in Christ.


I think non educated people are easy to convince of something (and most or ALL of the times is for the benefit of who ever is trying to convice them)
BUT! most of the time non educated religios people are willing to help you out more that the so call non religious "Intelligent ones"

I do belive in GOD but not on ANY religion

and I do have a bachelor degree in computer science

>> ^Sagemind:
What I have issues with is when someone starts to force their belief system on other people. Like they are doing a favour for someone who just doesn't know it yet. Saving them even! I'd sit and listen to a Muslim story because there's knowledge in knowing what's out there. I'd do the same for any Christian, Buddhist, Hindu or any other religion. Just don't tell me that your way is the only way. And definitely NEVER tell me that my way is the WRONG way. Don't infiltrate what I believe and I will respect what you believe. I may not believe it, but I will respect it.

And that's exacly the problem now with the atheists, instead of "going to hell" if you dont belive has they , "you are stupid"